Comments on: He’s on a musical mission for God – smh http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/ rock out Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:38:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-135 Anonymous Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:17:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-135 I believe that when Phil Dooley said that the emphasis was on fun that he left much to be said. I myself have many times made similar statements, wanting the youth in my church and everyone else see that being a Christian is about the FULL life (John 10:10) and fun will be included in that. Fun in the church means a community of believers that share their joy and passion for God in a social manner. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, I'm sure Phil knows that EVERYTHING is based on Christ and that He is the center! I believe that when Phil Dooley said that the emphasis was on fun that he left much to be said. I myself have many times made similar statements, wanting the youth in my church and everyone else see that being a Christian is about the FULL life (John 10:10) and fun will be included in that. Fun in the church means a community of believers that share their joy and passion for God in a social manner. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, I’m sure Phil knows that EVERYTHING is based on Christ and that He is the center!

]]> By: David Castor http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-60 David Castor Wed, 30 May 2007 07:16:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-60 What you are proposing is Abelardian exemplary theory. While I think Jesus is an example, I do think that he is much more than that.<br/><br/>We've already talked a little bit about Christus Victor, which is the understanding of the atonement I believe is the fullest understanding of the atonement and the view held by the vast majority of the Early Church. <br/><br/>Perhaps the process I'm talking about is best explained as (Eastern Orthodox) "theosis", which is explained in more detail at <a>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis#Eastern_Orthodox_theology</a> What you are proposing is Abelardian exemplary theory. While I think Jesus is an example, I do think that he is much more than that.

We’ve already talked a little bit about Christus Victor, which is the understanding of the atonement I believe is the fullest understanding of the atonement and the view held by the vast majority of the Early Church.

Perhaps the process I’m talking about is best explained as (Eastern Orthodox) “theosis”, which is explained in more detail at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis#Eastern_Orthodox_theology

]]> By: David http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-56 David Tue, 29 May 2007 08:18:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-56 <i>Quite simply, it would mean that Jesus carries upon himself our infirmities. It would mean that Jesus becomes human and is systematically stripped of his humanity so that our humanity can be restored.</i><br/><br/>so your primary view of the cross is that Christ is our example? (correct me if I'm wrong...)<br/><br/>how, then, is this your primary view?<br/><br/>and why would God the Father send his Son to die if it's just as an example?<br/><br/>i'd be interested to hear your view.<br/>thanks Quite simply, it would mean that Jesus carries upon himself our infirmities. It would mean that Jesus becomes human and is systematically stripped of his humanity so that our humanity can be restored.

so your primary view of the cross is that Christ is our example? (correct me if I’m wrong…)

how, then, is this your primary view?

and why would God the Father send his Son to die if it’s just as an example?

i’d be interested to hear your view.
thanks

]]> By: David Castor http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-55 David Castor Sun, 27 May 2007 23:16:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-55 <i>if that were the case what would it mean for Jesus to die for our sins??</i><br/><br/>Quite simply, it would mean that Jesus carries upon himself our infirmities. It would mean that Jesus becomes human and is systematically stripped of his humanity so that our humanity can be restored. if that were the case what would it mean for Jesus to die for our sins??

Quite simply, it would mean that Jesus carries upon himself our infirmities. It would mean that Jesus becomes human and is systematically stripped of his humanity so that our humanity can be restored.

]]> By: David http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-54 David Wed, 23 May 2007 02:50:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-54 tim - funny observation!! tim – funny observation!!

]]> By: David http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-53 David Wed, 23 May 2007 02:49:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-53 <i>Referring to 1 Corinthians 15 is a somewhat better argument, considering how early this creedal confession was.</i><br/><br/>thanks.<br/><br/><i>Still, it is possible to affirm that Jesus died for our sins without accept Penal Substitution as a legitimate expression of how he did so.</i><br/><br/>if that were the case what would it mean for Jesus to die for our sins?? Referring to 1 Corinthians 15 is a somewhat better argument, considering how early this creedal confession was.

thanks.

Still, it is possible to affirm that Jesus died for our sins without accept Penal Substitution as a legitimate expression of how he did so.

if that were the case what would it mean for Jesus to die for our sins??

]]> By: Tim Roediger http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Tim Roediger Wed, 23 May 2007 01:31:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-52 I found this comment in the original article a little amusing: <i>Bar the Baptists and Sydney Anglicans, few churches do youth better than the Pentecostalists, says Keith Castle, the director of the National Church Life Survey.</i><br/><br/>Appart from the Baptists, Sydney Anglicans and a few others, I don't think there is anyone else doing Christian youth ministry in Sydney. Does this comment imply that the Pentecostalists are actually doing youth ministry the worst (whatever best/worst actually means)? I found this comment in the original article a little amusing: Bar the Baptists and Sydney Anglicans, few churches do youth better than the Pentecostalists, says Keith Castle, the director of the National Church Life Survey.

Appart from the Baptists, Sydney Anglicans and a few others, I don’t think there is anyone else doing Christian youth ministry in Sydney. Does this comment imply that the Pentecostalists are actually doing youth ministry the worst (whatever best/worst actually means)?

]]> By: David Castor http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-51 David Castor Mon, 21 May 2007 23:29:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-51 <i>1) This passage shows us our greatest problem<br/>2) This passage shows us God's great solution<br/>3) This passage shows how sinners can be justified<br/>4) This passage shows how God can be justified (ie shown to be just)</i><br/><br/>I'm still not entirely sure how this passage shows our greatest problem or the greatest solution. Surely there are other passages which one might be able to say the same thing about?<br/><br/><i>In 1 Cor 15 Paul passes on that which is of 'first importance'.<br/>what is it?<br/>that Jesus died for our sins<br/>he was buried (definitely dead)<br/>he was raised<br/>he appeared (definitely alive)<br/><br/>JESUS died for our sins.</i><br/><br/>Referring to 1 Corinthians 15 is a somewhat better argument, considering how early this creedal confession was. Still, it is possible to affirm that Jesus died for our sins without accept Penal Substitution as a legitimate expression of how he did so. 1) This passage shows us our greatest problem
2) This passage shows us God’s great solution
3) This passage shows how sinners can be justified
4) This passage shows how God can be justified (ie shown to be just)

I’m still not entirely sure how this passage shows our greatest problem or the greatest solution. Surely there are other passages which one might be able to say the same thing about?

In 1 Cor 15 Paul passes on that which is of ‘first importance’.
what is it?
that Jesus died for our sins
he was buried (definitely dead)
he was raised
he appeared (definitely alive)

JESUS died for our sins.

Referring to 1 Corinthians 15 is a somewhat better argument, considering how early this creedal confession was. Still, it is possible to affirm that Jesus died for our sins without accept Penal Substitution as a legitimate expression of how he did so.

]]> By: David http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-50 David Mon, 21 May 2007 14:12:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-50 hey anita.<br/>thanks for the comment.<br/><br/>i think it is possible to have a youth group that is serious about knowing Jesus through his word AND has fun.<br/><br/>but the primary purpose is Jesus.<br/>fun must be secondary. hey anita.
thanks for the comment.

i think it is possible to have a youth group that is serious about knowing Jesus through his word AND has fun.

but the primary purpose is Jesus.
fun must be secondary.

]]> By: David http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/comment-page-1/#comment-49 David Mon, 21 May 2007 14:10:00 +0000 http://www.youthvanguard.com/2007/05/19/hes-on-a-musical-mission-for-god-smh/#comment-49 <i>Umm, how does that show that this is the *primary* reason that Jesus died?</i><br/><br/>1) This passage shows us our greatest problem<br/>2) This passage shows us God's great solution<br/>3) This passage shows how sinners can be justified<br/>4) This passage shows how God can be justified (ie shown to be just)<br/><br/>In 1 Cor 15 Paul passes on that which is of 'first importance'.<br/>what is it?<br/>that Jesus died for our sins<br/>he was buried (definitely dead)<br/>he was raised<br/>he appeared (definitely alive)<br/><br/>JESUS died for our sins. Umm, how does that show that this is the *primary* reason that Jesus died?

1) This passage shows us our greatest problem
2) This passage shows us God’s great solution
3) This passage shows how sinners can be justified
4) This passage shows how God can be justified (ie shown to be just)

In 1 Cor 15 Paul passes on that which is of ‘first importance’.
what is it?
that Jesus died for our sins
he was buried (definitely dead)
he was raised
he appeared (definitely alive)

JESUS died for our sins.

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